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This past month, the term “carbon footprint” has become the new eco buzzword. One source estimates that an average American produces 7.5 tons per year of CO2. You can calculate your footprint here.
I have to scratch my head about some of the calculations and advice some of these websites dish out, like how not eating red meat can reduce your carbon footprint.
But, the one thing these people have dead wrong is their stance on cars. Manufacturing a new car takes up a HUGE amount of carbon, and it only increases if the vehicle has to be transported from overseas. Also, these transport ships that cross the Pacific Ocean still use high Sulfur fuels. Also, hybrids and other vehicle technology like battery packs is not exactly the most environmentally friendly stuff to manufacture or recycle.
It got me thinking about how the Mennonites view their cars. Yes, some Mennonites own cars. They are a simple people that share some of the views about technology as the Amish. If you visit some of their communities, you will see old cars that look new, except for the chrome, which is sometimes painted black.
To them, waste is a sin, and not being considerate to their neighbors (no matter where on the planet) is another sin. So they take care of their cars meticulously because they do not want to create waste or pollute the world with their garbage.
It got me thinking about hybrid owners. The bought the car for its low fuel mileage and eco friendliness. Technically they are reducing their direct contribution of carbon. But, in my opinion if you counted the amount of carbon it takes to manufacture and ship the car against them, they would have a huge carbon footprint. In my opinion, if they would have kept their old car and maintained it properly, their carbon footprint on the world would have been a lot smaller.
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Does anyone know how to quantify manufacturing-energy-per-vehicle, related to CO2 in particular, and thus contribute to a slightly more rounded, less-prejuduced, debate on the real issues around carbon foorprints and the like?

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The money you save by buying a cheaper car can be applied to carbon offsets. A hybrid like a new Toyota Prius might cost AUD$5000 (USD$3200) per year more to own and operate than a cheaper car like a Hyundai Getz. Yet, for just about AUD$10 (USD$8) you could offset the emissions difference between these two cars. Or, you could get an even more efficient new car, or, better yet, an efficient used car. I wrote up some thoughts about this Does it make financial sense to buy a hybrid vehicle to reduce carbon emissions?.

TheHobbyGuy said...

I am so glad I found this. You were the first to bring this up, that I could find. I just bought a USED 1990 car with only 41k miles on it for this reason! Not only that I saved a ton! Good for my pocket, good for the earth, good car too. IN fact i expect to keep this car to at least 150k miles. I jsut found a link on a bout.com that says in Japan they attribute 28% of the carbon footprint to manufacturing alone - that is a lot of carbon!
http://environment.about.com/od/environmentfriendlyautos/a/new_old_cars.htm

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